Speculation That Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Is The Antichrist? - Time Out For TB2K!

My final TB2K post:

(can't link there since it was deleted)


Recently I was sanctioned with a 'time out' in the TimeBomb2000 (TB2K) forum, one of the last online communities where I've been able to freely express my opinions, because I had the audacity to compliment President Obama's speech at the memorial for the Tucson shooting tragedy. A link to a blog I'd written regarding the Tucson shootings that was critical of Sarah Palin and the gun-toting tactics of Tea Party activism crossed some sort of red line for the "moderators" there such that I've been temporarily banished from further postings and discourse in the main forums as if I were some sort of child.

I've not blogged on this incident because I thought it better to lay low since I realize that war may be near and the survivalist and "prepper" community represented by TB2K may be all that is left of America after the dust settles.



However, in light of the discussions that have prevailed in the forum since I left, it's clear to me that, in the event of the collapse of civilization, if all that's left are TB2Kers and like-minded folk, then 'America' might truly be forever dead.

While the seemingly blind Sarah Palin punditry and calls against civility in American politics are somewhat disturbing, what I found in the forum this evening is beyond the pale.

Some TB2Kers, apparently of the 'right-wing Christian fundamentalist' bent, are speculating that Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords may be the "Antichrist".

Yes....I'm serious.

The almost perfect insanity apparently began with the following post:

Today, 01:26 PM
Haybails
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AC - Head injury . . . just thinking out loud

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Won't make me popular . . . but, it just struck me this morning.

In all the religiously opocalyptic stuff I've ever read, it says that the future A.C. will be a very well liked person who incredibly (almost unbelievably) returns from a head injury.

So, (ahem), any recent political people amazingly recouperating from an expected deadly head injury?!

I'm just saying . . .

For those unfamiliar with Christian eschatology, the poster is referencing a key passage in the Book of Revelation regarding the prophetic beast:

And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. [Revelation 13:3]

From that comment, more Antichrist speculation followed by forum members as documented at Uncle Bob's forum of TB2K dissidents, and further exemplified in a TB2K thread today about Rep. Giffords' recovery and transfer to Houston for further therapy.

Clearly any call for civility, or just plain reasonablenous, in political discourse has gone unanswered at the forum where I was placed in "Time Out" for making a positive comment about President Obama's speech calling for healing and national reconciliation in the wake of the Tucson tragedy. To the contrary, in speculating about whether or not the primary target of the shootings, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, is the Antichrist (even if done in jest), TB2K members have gone off the far right deep-end into an abyss of very un-American political hatred and vitriol.

Might I suggest the whole TimeBomb2000 forum take a TIME-OUT?!

After spending the last nearly EIGHT YEARS there trying to spell out the true Antichrist in this world, it's become apparent the TB2K folk wouldn't know the man even if he came up and bit 'em on their BUTTS!



Of course, commenting negatively to the outside world about the very uncivil discourse at TB2K will likely result in my membership being revoked, but, quite frankly, THANK GOD! I do not belong anywhere that seeks to dictate what I'm to say and believe.

I will close this thread with what will likely prove to be one of my final comments at TB2K made in the Time Out! gulag set up there for rebellious members like I became:

The attitude of the moderators that govern this forum is that if you don't like their moderation then find another forum.

I've been active at TB2K since May 2003. I have 5800+ posts to my credit. I've been financially supportive. What's more, with regard to the need for preparedness, I'm seeking to raise awareness about the greatest threat imaginable facing Americans and Western civilization, i.e., that the collapse of communism was a staged strategic deception, and Russia and China never stopped gunning for our destruction and subjugation.

The concern I have with how TB2K opts to rule its own house is with their seeming anti-Americanism. That those who purport to be "Tea Party" activists can behave in a manner so at odds with the spirit of America, the Constitution and the notion of an inalienable, God-given right to liberty is hypocritical, childish and tragic IMHO.

After the dust settles from the coming war, many who frequent TB2K will be among those left standing. They will bear the responsibility of carrying forth the torch of liberty that is the spirit of America. If the attitude of these remnants are guided by the despotic sensibilities of those running this forum, then there will be no hope at all for rebuilding what our Founding Fathers had envisioned. To the contrary, the tyrants planning to take control of this ill-fated world would be well-served by those who banish to this TB2K gulag any who dare to voice opposing opinions and fail to conform to "authority" here.

However, there is a higher AUTHORity to whom all answer, and I suggest the powers that be, even in this lowly discussion place, bear that in mind.

Washington D.C. is found at the nexus of VIRGINia and MARYland. God is ultimately authoring HIStory through us, and the constitutional republic framed by America's Founding Fathers was more than just a good idea. I believe it was a divinely inspired vision ultimately meant for God's true Kingdom in this world. Those that want to tear down America and what it stands for go against Christ himself, and when it comes to "eternal life", it's important to be on the right side of God's sovereign good will.

Christina Taylor Green: Maybe God's Trying To Show Us Something

How does one make sense of the seemingly senseless tragedy of the Tucson shooting on Saturday that took the lives of six people and left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) in critical condition?

I believe an opportunity has emerged for Americans to do some serious soul-searching, and this appears to be underway:



But will we find the right meaning?

I believe something that is important to notice are the "coincidences" surrounding what happened.

First off, there's the issue of Sarah Palin's target list and map that including a gun sight over Congresswoman Giffords' name and congressional district as examined in my prior blog. Incredibly, the Arizona representative commented in an interview with MSNBC in March 2010: "We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is that the way she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gun sight over our district, and when people do that they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."



As more facts have come to light, it appears that the shooter, Jared Loughlin, was utterly deranged and, rather than being politically motivated, may have acted based upon a perceived slight from Rep. Giffords because, at a town hall meeting in 2007 similar to that of the shooting, she failed to answer his bizarre question: 'What is government if words have no meaning?'



So even though all this is seemingly an unrelated coincidence, Sarah Palin has come under extreme criticism by the political "Left" that has the "Right" crying foul. It seems to me that our nation's bipolar insanity is becoming clear to all who are willing to see.

On a harmonious note, the most innocent victim of the shooting, 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green, was one of 50 children born on 9/11/01 that was featured in the book, Faces Of Hope:



On the page that followed her baby picture in the book the following appears:

"I hope you know all of the words of the national anthem and sing it with a hand over your heart."

Think about that.



Recently I've been considering the notion of God's will and recently came across an intriguing writing by St. Augustine, dubbed "The Triumph of God’s Sovereign Good Will", that seeks to argue that God's will is good and man's ill will is used toward God's good purposes. Maybe we can see this here in a tragedy that took the life of an innocent child named CHRISTina.

As with the tragedy that occurred on the day Christina was born, God is presenting us with a challenge to see our own ill will toward one another to bring forth His good will through us to help resolve division and animosity.

Can we rise to the occasion?

Will America pin its hopes on the irresponsible insanity of this?



Or will America find hope in the responsibility and sanity of this?



Might and intimidation do not make right, and neither of America's political poles represent God.

Pray that our Creator somehow uses the ill will of creatures on all sides toward the greater good of our redemption.

I believe there's a reason the tragedy in Tucson occurred. I believe there's a reason America's "Liberty Bell" cracked (~ three times).



Finally, and most tragically, I believe there's a reason America's enemies operate under the banner
of 'submitting to God's will' (Islam) to 'share for the common good' (Communism).

America has been led into temptation and is being delivered into Evil IMHO:



The most crucial issue of the day is how to undo the fate man is making,
and on this score the Tucson tragedy can help us to see the truth if people are willing take off their self-important blinders and look.

We need to learn to love one another.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." [John 13:34]

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Warned About Sarah Palin's Hit List & Cross Hairs Map

UPDATE: Palin spokeswoman: 'Nothing irresponsible about our graphic'

Sarah Palin decided it was fair politics to create a "hit list" of healthcare opponents including the use of maps with cross hair targets on congressional districts like that of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Arizona:




Congresswoman Giffords warned in an interview with MSNBC last March that such tactics are unacceptable in this day and age:

"We're on Sarah Palin's targeted list but, the thing is that the way she has it depicted has the cross hairs of a gunsight over our district, and when people do that they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

(@2:20 into video)





God comfort Congresswoman Giffords and the other victims of the senseless shooting by Jared Lee Loughner in Tucson today. While Sarah Palin is not directly to blame for the tragedy, she clearly showed bad judgment that could have helped to stoke the murderous insanity that occurred. As for just how disturbed Jared Loughner had become, here's the final message that was captured from his MySpace page:

"Goodbye friends. Please don't be mad at me. The literacy rate is below 5%. I haven't talked to one person who is literate. I want to make it out alive. The longest war in the history of the United States. Goodbye. I'm saddened with the current currency and job employment. I had a bully at school. Thank you. P.S. --plead the fifth!"

UPDATE: Sarah Palin responded on Facebook to the the tragedy in Arizona:

My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.

On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.

- Sarah Palin

Note that, while Palin's political sites have been scrubbed of her target map in the wake of the Tucson shooting tragedy, it still appears on her Facebook page.



God is neither Right nor Left but rather a synthesis of what's true from both sides of the table IMHO. Nevertheless, there's a serious problem with those who seek to take over the table and establish who's "right" through armed force or threats thereof....even if only implied for intimidation.

Finally, maybe it's telling that the 9-year-old girl murdered in the Tuscon shooting today, CHRISTina Green, was born on 9/11/01, the day of a tragedy that briefly had Americans seeing beyond their differences to come together for the common good. Let's hope this spirit returns in the face of this newest trial.